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Saudi moral committee threatens to cover “tempting” women’s eyes

| 16 November 2011 | Comments (196)

Saudi women in public.

Women with sexy eyes in Saudi Arabia may be forced to cover them up, according to the spokesperson of the Committee for the Promotion of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice (CPVPV) in the conservative Gulf kingdom.

Spokesman of the Ha’eal district, Sheikh Motlab al-Nabet said the committee has the right to stop a women whose eyes seem “tempting” and order her to cover them immediately.

Saudi women are already forced to wear a loose black dress and to cover their hair and in some areas, their face, while in public or face fines or sometimes worse, including public lashings.

The announcement came days after the Saudi newspaper al-Watan reported that a Saudi man was admitted to a hospital after a fight with a member of the committee when he ordered his wife to cover her eyes. The husband was then stabbed twice in the hand.

The CPVPV is Saudi’s Sharia, Islamic law, executive arm and was founded in 1940 to ensure Islamic laws are not broken in public, yet over the years, the committee has been largely criticized over its human rights violations.

In 2002, the committee refused to let female students out of their burning schools in Mecca for “not wearing the proper head cover,” which contributed to a large number of dead.

15 young girls died in the fire and dozens more were injured. The CPVPV men banned the firemen and policemen from accessing the girls as “it is not okay for girls to be seen without their full Islamic dress in front of strangers.”

The committee, which only accepts and trains volunteers, has questionable powers on the Saudi street, as they operate under the supervision of the King himself.

A Wikileaks document released last year mentioned that “wild Western-style parties” are regularly held at royal palaces in Jeddah, away from the reach of the committee, who stands helpless against any royal violations.

It was reported that the parties had alcohol, drugs, dancing and sex, according to American consulate wires published by the whistle-blower organization.

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  • Killtacular

    I’d say start ripping men’s eyes out in Saudi Arabia. If you’re too much of a pork rind chicken shit to look a woman in the eye for fear that you can’t control yourself, then you shouldn’t be in public in the first place.

    To any man in Saudi Arabia who thinks women should have no rights..Don’t forget the fact that your country is an Ally to the US.

    Which reminds me..Why are we Allies with these fucking neanderthals to begin with? They are about as civilized as pigs with their ignorance and stone-aged view of women.

    I garuntee if all Saudi women walked proudly into the streets and tore off their burka’s and revealed they were carryign enough weaponry to kill every radical Islamist piece of shit over there, the men would think twice about how they treat women.

    Or, ya know, the women could all come together and, when it comes time to be raped, chop off every man’s dick and choke them to death with it, the Saudi’s would think twice about how they treat their women.

    But again, I don’t even see why our Government allies itself with a governing force that treats women like nothing but posessions and baby farms anyway. I thought civilized countries allied with civilized countries?

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  • Indianka

    Can mysogyny be blamed?

  • Indianka

    Self control means Pratyahara, perhaps time for them to learn more about this science of Pratyahara. Both men and women will benefit it. Practicing Asanas will also help control sexual over drive.

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  • N00biekins

    Stupid moral police.  Let’s all attend one of those wild parties already :)

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  • Judith

    To fundamentalists of all stripes.  Sex is sex throughout the human race, and can’t be stamped out.  Try to treat people with kindness.

  • Ihateobama

    Drop the bomb on the lot of them.

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  • AM

    Public lashings? comon.
    You dont even have to pay a fine for not covering.
    Ive lived here for year and do not cover up. Ive had the odd Religious police passing by and requesting me to cover my hair but I ignore and carry on with my business!

  • Fadiyah

    No one can deny that Saudi Arabia is an incredibly oppressive nation, but I wish that people would address the real root problems (misogyny that is present the world over, adherence to  tribal customs that have no place in law or Islam, etc.) instead of just blaming it on Islam. Saying that Wahhabism represents all of Islam is like saying that Hasidism represents all of Judaism or Mennonite denominations represent all of Christianity.

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  • Rugcleaner

    Saudi men value a camels and goats more that they value their wives or daughters.  It is no wonder that whenever Saudis are in the western world, they go wild.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_D5PNRPIAL4VHQ4KKMW63L5RUYY O-Man

    You can judge a society by how it treats it women. Here’s a perfect example!

    While the rest of the world is in the 21st century some cultures and religion are still stuck in a time warp called the 7th century.

    What a shame. The problem here is NOT women, but men who seem can’t control themselves and blame some one else for their deficiency, namely women. What cowards!

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  • Anonymous

    Vote for the present goverment and islam is soon the major ideologi in the west. 

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  • Jkbsaffer

    Unbelievable how weak can men be? Repulsive!! 

  • Mikekvia

    Ok so I think that most muslims are fine.  Just the same as any other person of any other religion but the people of this country are absolutely insane.  Shows you how they value human life.  Especially in the case of women.  They dont give two shits.  Its funny though, we go to war with iraq and afganistan over human rights and illegal weapons… but saudi arabia is one of the most horrid backwards douchebag places on the planet but since they sell us oil its ok kill who ever you want for what ever bull shit trumped up reason you want use idiotic mentally retarded mideval backwards reasons you want and violently and horrible torture and kill women for exposing that oh so sexy ankle you fucked up morons go to hell.   Screw those people and people who follow that faith that extremely they are all useless worthless people who deserve to go to the very lowest of the lowest hell they believe in.  And if that wont work send em to me i’ll make them feel the pain they inflict on their own and i’ll do it with a smile on my face.  Screw those people they need to be wiped off the earth we would all be better off.  Especially their country.  Get rid of the two faced royalty over there.  They can do what ever they want while sentencing a commoner to a horrid death for half the shit they pull.  Really religious my ass they just use the faith of the people to justify torture and death for their own fun and control and power.  What a stupid group of people one horrid country. 

  • AIA

    This is not a law and it will never pass. It is something that has been proposed by a minority few. I live here in Saudi and I dont see this passing. Many laws like this have been proposed in the past by those few control freaks who lack in self confidence and like to take it out their frustrations on the weak.

  • Oberst

    Maybe these male muslems suffer from satyriasis? Please castrate them immediately!

  • Anonymous

    These Arabs never ceases to surprise… :-O

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  • Hotmail

    Frankly, I find the fellows’ quite reasonable.

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  • Anonymous

    A culture of misogyny, pure and simple. What a terrible place to live.

  • Bkeet 3thally

    Thats not truth at all this is egyptian guy made up this story , I’m a muslem women i live in saudi arabia , and this story its not truth

  • Mohgul

    Yes, certainly it is men’s problem who are violating the Qur’anic injuction:  “Lower your gaze”.

    Now, tell me hosni, what is the punishment for violating the Qur’anic injuction?  Why don’t the Saudi police cover the men’s eyes instead.

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  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3LVTW36FICDD5Q4L4LNZHZJB3I Carmen

    LOL Arabs and their boners. These men never heard of self control?

  • megank

    If men have so many problems controlling their own base impulses, perhaps they should step aside and let women run things for awhile.

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  • John_Elroy

    Disgusting. We should cut all diplomatic relations with any country that teats women like that!

  • Solon

    Do they need clothes in heaven? Aborigines in the Northern Territory desert used to walk around naked. Women should be able to walk down the street naked if they want, without being subject to attacks. It is only the evil in men that makes these restrictions necessary. The sooner Mecca is nuked the better.

  • Medieval

    Maybe one day the middle east will grow up – hopefully in the mean time the women can escape ridiculous religious crap.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_B3OL4HLZQF4UI5VLD7G54XQ2NQ Blue Blood

    Yes, you cannot have women tempting you when there are so many delicious underage boys running around…temptation where it belongs apparently…I hear there’s an opening at Penn State for those willing to travel…LMAO

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  • http://www.facebook.com/autumnsfantasy Jennifer Anker

    Not sure what the party ending has to do with with the possible new cover on women. Otherwise, seriously? If the men are so unable to control themselves, then perhaps it’s time to move women elsewhere entirely.

  • Anonymous

    That is basically declaring that men in Saudi Arabia will not be held accountable for their actions at all and will not be expected to have any self-control.  Of course, this is in line with the Qur’an in Suras 2, 4, 33, 60, and 66, and in Mohammad’s example/interpretation in the Sunnah (sayings and actions of Mohammad).  These principles are codified (legally enforced) by Sharia law.    

    Similarly, a domestic violence abuser conditions his victim to take responsibility for the actions of the abuser, and the abuser pretends to be the one victimized even though he is the aggressor.  The more the abuser gets away with by blaming the victim, the more abuse the abuser commits.  The domestic violence abuser sees the victim as merely an extension of the abuser with no right to thoughts, feelings, or behaviors of her own, only those arbitrarily approved by the abuser and to please the abuser.  The domestic violence abuser conditions by humiliation, emotional blackmail, and violence.  The victims of domestic violence abusers are usually killed by the abusers when they are trying to get away from the abusers, who do not give up control easily.  These behaviors are criminal in the West, but they are sanctioned in Islam.

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  • John

    This is horrible. Get a clue. That’s not religion that terrorism. Does your god approve of these murders? In Christianity God doesn’t remove temptation from the world, he covers our sins and gives us the strength to overcome them. Covering these women completely up doesn’t even remove the desire a man will have for a woman. It’s instinctual, it’s because we are animals. Maturity and reason helps us control our cravings not disguise or oppression. How can anyone follow this? I don’t understand how any woman could submit to this, and I’m a man fyi… 

    • Kay Elpy

      Saudi women must submit to it if it is made law there. They don’t have a choice. Look what happens to them if they are disobedient!

  • Anon

    They are sick and helping to perpetuate that Islam is a sick religion needing to be purged.  It is time that real Muslims did something about these people.

  • Rayinline

    As long as the feudal sytem of kings are not eradicated and a democratic government comes into power, such things will occur..

  • Macsima

    You would think those horny little Arab men have the problem with thinking everything is sexual, take a cold shower boys and the these poor woman be women.

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  • Karl anglin

    Saudi Arabia may as well stop women from leaving
    their homes entirely!

  • Piddyca

    Time these idiots learn to teach their men to control their impulses and stop blaming women for living.

  • ibrahima

    Oh great, more fodder for the bigots who think CPVPV somehow represent a significant proportion of the world’s Muslims, or even your average Muslim in Saudi Arabia. It’s time for the silent majority to realize that the real threat to the Ummah is not Israel or America, but the fundamentalists who corrupt the message.

    • Rcarlton

      While I am not Christian, I do believe that fundamentalist Christians in the United States do a grave disservice to Christianity also.
      Fundamentalists who corrupt the message, I absolutely agree.

    • Kay Elpy

      Fundamentalists are a threat to every religion. I absolutely sympathise with moderates of any religion whose peaceful beliefs are constantly overshadowed by extremists.

      It would not be so bad if these extremists were limited to relatively harmless, isolated groups, but somehow they always find a way to get into positions of power, where they are free to scream their hatred and narrow-mindedness to the rest of the world whilst inflicting pain and misery on their own people.

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  • Anonymous

    How much(less) is enough?

  • Perk2577

    Gay gay gay!! Fear and repression, innernets and intellect will conquer religion one day-thank god!

    • lady buxom-broad

      cut the gay shit, even though these men must be latent homosexuals with a hatred of women, those man stealing women

  • Rick

    Move to the USA.  You can wear whatever you want.  And you can have sexy eyes too.

  • http://www.facebook.com/VegetaSyedPutra Redha Attiya Abdullah Saidi

    This is all sorts of wrong. I’m a Muslim and I find this so stupid and insane. Dammit, Saudis, stop making a fool of yourselves and shaming Islam in the process.

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  • Brian Milkins

    And this is an ally the American’s value highly. Never, ever let it be said that democracy will ever get in the way of a stable supply of oil.

  • JE of Melbourne

    How utterly cruel and medieval this is. Once again forcing a woman to cover up is a result of the subjugation of women – and we even allow it to go on here! Women being conditioned to believe they are inferior. No form of cover should be allowed including the ugly hijab.

    • Anon

      Women should be allowed to cover themselves if they choose to (for example, I’m a religious woman and I choose to dress modestly). However, laws forcing women to cover up are, I agree, 100% disgusting.

  • Upthebracket

    letting young girls burn due to not being dressed the way an imaginary man from a fairytale wants them to? SAVAGES!!!!!!!!

  • george

    my heart goes out to these poor woman who are treated as nothing but chattels – what sort of miserable existence must they live in Saudi – just goes to show that money doesn’t make you  happy it just makes you miserable

  • Deb

    Can’t wait to hear their reasoning for this one! I am fast believing that Saudi men are completely helpless when it comes to day to day living with others! What else am I to think? The ‘rest of the worlds’ men, on a whole, seem to be able to ‘control’ themselves and they face far more flesh! And to be honest, the Saudis claim no assaults on women. How can there be assaults, if there are no reports made, or they are ignored, or they just do not exist as far as the male officials state.
    Having said that, I am aware that there are many wonderful people who are Islamic, and I am not including you – just the barabric and backward extremists.
    Just a question, what do you cover your eyes with? Sunglasses? Surely, in darker areas this is a strain on the eyes and dangerous as you cannot see properly?

    • Kay Elpy

      I don’t think they had women’s comfort in mind at all, so lack of clear sight or eye strain is hardly going to concern these monsters.

  • Jason

    Religious  crackpots  are  religious  crackpots,  regardless of the brand. The destruction of Iron-Age  superstition and ignorance ~ not to mention outright stupidity~ should be banned around the world.  As  forcibly as  necessary.

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  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_RS2W5V2OVEEXI6PUPMI3FKRF7A ME

    This is the problem with accepting a little more covering, a little more submission. Once the eyes are covered, the dehumanization of a woman is complete.  Frankly, I find the whole idea of covering women up at all severely perverted. 

    • Anonymous

      You’re just saying that because you are in fact perverted and want to gawk at them and will lie to have your way

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  • Ckodof1955

    Men in Islam must be VERY VERY VERY VERY Weak and Pathetic to BLAME WOMEN AGAIN for the Sexual Issues.. Grow Up u Morons 

  • Anonymous

    This is nothing to surprise from a religion, where prophet raped 9yr old child and ordered the women to cover up because he and his men could not control their lust.
    If you like to know more/comment mail me rajkumarusa@facebook.com

    • Un-Fanatic

      Mate, you’re an idiot…..possibly another religious zealot from a different religion.

      • Anonymous

        Actually, the list is a reasonably fair rendition of traditional islamic shariah. Where is he mistaken? 

  • Anonymous

    This is nothing to surprise from a religion, where prophet raped 9yr old child and ordered the women to cover up because he and his men could not control their lust.

    I hope you are fine that
    1-  Jihad defined as “to war against non-Muslims to establish the religion” is the duty of every Muslim and Muslim head of state (Caliph). Muslim Caliphs who refuse jihad are in violation of Sharia and unfit to rule.
    2-  A Caliph can hold office through seizure of power meaning through force.
    3-  A Caliph is exempt from being charged with serious crimes such as murder, adultery, robbery, theft, drinking and in some cases of rape.
    4-  A percentage of Zakat (alms) must go towards jihad.
    5-  It is obligatory to obey the commands of the Caliph, even if he is unjust.
    6-  A caliph must be a Muslim, a non-slave and a male.
    7-  The Muslim public must remove the Caliph in one case, if he rejects Islam.
    8-  A Muslim who leaves Islam must be killed immediately.
    9-  A Muslim will be forgiven for murder of : 1) an apostasy 2) an adulterer 3) a highway robber. Making vigilante street justice and honor killing acceptable.
    10-  A Muslim will not get the death penalty if he kills a non-Muslim.
    11-  Sharia never abolished slavery and sexual slavery and highly regulates it. A master will not be punished for killing his slave.
    12-  Sharia dictates death by stoning, beheading, amputation of limbs, flogging and other forms of cruel and unusual punishments even for crimes of sin such as adultery.
    13-  Non-Muslims are not equal to Muslims and must comply to Sharia if they are to remain safe. They are forbidden to marry Muslim women, publicly display wine or pork, recite their scriptures or openly celebrate their religious holidays or funerals. They are forbidden from building new churches or building them higher than mosques. They may not enter a mosque without permission. A non-Muslim is no longer protected if he commits adultery with a Muslim woman or if he leads a Muslim away from Islam.
    14-  It is a crime for a non-Muslim to sell weapons to someone who will use them against Muslims. Non-Muslims cannot curse a Muslim, say anything derogatory about Allah, the Prophet, or Islam, or expose the weak points of Muslims. However, the opposite is not true for Muslims.
    15-  A non-Muslim cannot inherit from a Muslim.
    16-  Banks must be Sharia compliant and interest is not allowed.
    17-  No testimony in court is acceptable from people of low-level jobs, such as street sweepers or a bathhouse attendant. Women in such low level jobs such as professional funeral mourners cannot keep custody of their children in case of divorce.
    18-  A non-Muslim cannot rule even over a non-Muslims minority.
    19-  Homosexuality is punishable by death.
    20-  There is no age limit for marriage of girls under Sharia. The marriage contract can take place anytime after birth and consummated at age 8 or 9.
    21-  Rebelliousness on the part of the wife nullifies the husband’s obligation to support her, gives him permission to beat her and keep her from leaving the home.
    22-  Divorce is only in the hands of the husband and is as easy as saying: “I divorce you” and becomes effective even if the husband did not intend it.
    23-  There is no common property between husband and wife and the husband’s property does not automatically go to the wife after his death.
    24-  A woman inherits half what a man inherits.
    25-  A man has the right to have up to 4 wives and she has no right to divorce him even if he is polygamous.
    26-  The dowry is given in exchange for the woman’s sexual organs.
    27-  A man is allowed to have sex with slave women and women captured in battle, and if the enslaved woman is married her marriage is annulled.
    28-  The testimony of a woman in court is half the value of a man.
    29-  A woman looses custody if she remarries.
    30-  To prove rape, a woman must have 4 male witnesses.
    31-  A rapist may only be required to pay the bride-money (dowry) without marrying the rape victim.
    32-  A Muslim woman must cover every inch of her body which is considered “Awrah,” a sexual organ. Some schools of Sharia allow the face and some don’t.
    33-  A Muslim man is forgiven if he kills his wife caught in the act of adultery. However, the opposite is not true for women since he “could be married to the woman he was caught with.”.

    • Mohgul

      Brother Raj. I would not lump all Muslims into your version of Islam.  What you are writing about is a cult which calls itself Muslim, which in reality it has its own ideology, totally different from Islam. I can refute all your points with logic that is Islamic but that should be another subject and not appropriate to respond here.

      Atrocities are committed in the name of religion by people of all faiths.

      • killtacular

        Taquiya. “To lie for Islam”.

        Islamists are permitted to lie to the faces of non-believers. How do we know you aren’t lying?

  • Anonymous

    I’m going to form the Committee for the Prevention of Virtue and the Promotion of Vice. Who wants to join me?

  • Ralva61

    It seems to me that the men are the ones who are tempted so why not pluck out the eyes of the man!!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_A365KJRJ7TYPCUV7USPYZOHVVQ Jim

    Oh, da eyes they are so sexy!  Hubba, hubba, hubba!

  • Harveymelton

    very hypocritical to say the least, but then again this is a universal thing.

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  • Mothernaturescreature

    Filthy Murderous scum Some one should burn those god dam men who would let girls burn to death in a fire just because they didn’t have vails on to exit the building, filthy scum those saudis and to think we codle them for their oil, the world needs to be cleansed hopefully mother nature cleans up soon.

  • http://ianrobertdouglas.com Ian Douglas

    In the final analysis, sex is about pleasure. These bigots want to take all pleasure out of society. They don’t even want to keep it all for themselves. I’m not talking about the so-called royals. The whole world knows they are hypocrites and parasites. I’m talking about the self-appointed members of the Committee for the Promotion of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice

  • Kimberly 75

    The next step is complete purdah, restricting women from ever leaving their homes, except when necessary to transport them to their new home when they are married off.  Are the men of Saudi really so weak-willed that they are not able to even look at the eyes of a women without controlling themselves?

    • Rhodos

      The answer to your last question is yes. 
      They’re all beasts

    • Roland

      the Saudi men are all gay women haters. Certainly I hate radical Feminists, but I hate these guys just as much. My best friend’s wife workd for the UN and a gay male friend of hers worked in SA, according to him the Saudi men LOVE little boys and each other, not all of them but a damn hell of a lot of them. to quote one of them ” Women are for havng children, boys are for fun”. And apparently the women lez it up regularly, common for the women to get pedicures etc that also involve the insertion of digits etc… from other women. Basically, the Saudis are very pervy, and very uptight as well. 

    • Jennifer

      It’s not the men… it’s the government!

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    So how will the mutawwa deal ith provocative walk? Botox the hips to prevent freedom of sway?

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  • M.Y.

    I can’t believe this -_- ….
    They’re turning Islam into a monstrosity it’s nowhere near.
    I’m a Muslim, Saudi female and I disown myself from their “Islamic” actions.

    • flernst

      but sadly it seems like your voice is lost to these doctrines. At least, publicly..

  • Anonymous

    How 7th century… Seriously?  Tempting eyes?? It would be funny if it weren’t so utterly backwards.

    • Harv

      and very hypocritical to say the least

  • Rayberrian

    Covering the eyes is no fun for anyone.

  • Glrtucker

    these arabs are so horney! On a more serious note, being a middle eastern woman myself, can they be more insulting to women! In Islam a woman was created for enjoyment of men, an object, nothing more. So what if you cover her eyes. Her world is dark anyway! How sad!

    • Mohand

      it’s not in Islam that it’s the case but in this Wahhabi lifestyle, that btw Saudi Arabia is trying to spread all over the world.. How weird, it’s the most mediatised since it’s centered around hatred.. it brought to the front many terrorists, and is still (what they call Islamist, that are in fact only followers of the Wahhabi)
      But they r rich, they have shit loads of money, so nobody really cares about tehir women.. it’s shameful, but that the world we live in

      • Rut

        Lol, if only u all knew how pussy-whipped most Saudi guys are, and how the woman control the homes and how the man’s salary is pretty much subservient and gobbled up by the women. There’s more to this than u know. You can be superficial about this covering up stuff all u want, but if u want to find meek subserviant women, go to Korea or Japan

    • ahomad hosin

      first, this topic is misleading and does not represent 5% of truth.
      and about what you said, before talking such thing, you need to do more research. islam respected women more than any law around the world. I won’t talk too much. but I want you to answer my question
      is it better for you to be covered and respected or to work as a slut in a night club?

      • Hope

        Or to burn to death young girls in the Creators name. ? Even the greatest man had a mother and the Law of Moses demands that you honor these. Allah judges. Not man. And there is a curse upon them who take it into their own hands. Vengeance is mine. Says the Lord. Suffer the little children unto me.

      • Guest

        It’s better for a woman to make a choice for herself.

      • Perkdaggydag

        What a gay! And your logic is Beyond flawed. Take your “morals” and shove them way up your gay terrorist ass.

        To all Saudi women, who want some white bread holla!!

      • A voice of reason

        It is better to have choices. If this article is true, it is clearly out of control. Better yet, why not just blindfold all male Wahhabi followers, or just remove their eyes at birth. This way, they’ll be able to resist humanity’s most basic natural instinct.
        Your question is terrible. I would choose to create my own destiny, which is impossible in a society set up to convince men and women that they must live the entirety of their lives in puberty – never growing up and learning to see each other by something other than reproductive organs.

        You use the word respect. I’d have them respect themselves before any member of the opposite sex. Even better, I’d remove the entire concept of respect. 

      • Donocar

        Yes, because the world is so black and white. If you’re not covered and respected, you’re obviously a slut in a club. Most women I work with are sluts in clubs, and being around them I cannot possibly focus on work because I’m a savage beast that can’t control basic body functions.

        And because I think you are that moronic, yes, I am being sarcastic.

      • A.W.

        Luckily in the world today there are more options than subjugated to men, and working as a slut in a night club.

      • Rcarlton

        Are those my only options?  You are a very silly man.

        • ahomad hosin

          well, you misunderstood my question.
          my question was what “would you choose”, not these are the only options, but which one is better for you?
          in other words, if you were to choose of these two, which one would you choose?

          if you think covering the whole body is wrong, is it worse than uncovering the whole body?

          we always hear people criticizing covering the whole body, but no one criticized uncovering the whole body, why?

          which one is more respected, slut or a woman who covers here whole body?

          • I choose freedom

            Honestly, if those were my only two choices, I can honestly say that I believe I would gain more respect from my peers and prefer being the slut in the nightclub, because at least I would be doing it of my own choice rather than bowing down to your oppression and being careful not to have ‘alluring eyes’.

      • Egalitarian

        Is there no middle ground? Can a woman not be treated with respect if she doesn’t “cover” herself (in this case, her whole body, hair and face)? There are not just two types of women: the modest ones and the sluts. Women are just as sentient as you are, and are deserving of respect. If Islam dictates a woman should cover herself in order to not tempt lustful fools it is the perverted men who are the problem- not the women who offended you merely by existing. Also, do you know you came out of your mother’s vagina? The Humanity!!

        • Khadija

          Islam dictates that a woman cover her body out of modesty and respect for God as well as for her brothers in Islam, it has nothing to do with men being a ‘problem’. A true Muslim man would lower his gaze in the presence of an alluring woman rather than stare with lust . Our brothers, the ones who TRULY believe in and follow what God commanded, have the utmost respect for women.

          • T4tishay

            okay . if we take your point… covering body is for respect and gratitude shown towards… than why not men?? aren’t they suppose to show ur so called respect ??

          • Killtacular

             Then I suggest you start weeding out the heathen’s and anybody who commits hateful acts against women and put them in prison, or at least beat the living shit out of them, so that they will never harm another woman, or claim the faith of Islam just to get away with crimes again.

      • John

        if Islam respected woman, why are there honour killings, polygamous marriages, restriction on education for girls, rape in war in all Arab countries, marriage of child girls to old men – the list goes on and on

        • Khadija

          These things go on in non-Islamic societies as well, went on before Islam and really have nothing to do with Islam itself. In fact most of the things you mention actually violate Islamic law. Please educate yourself before commenting.

          • Bleu Lorax

            Khadija – Stop protecting your heinous, disparaging, deleterious, bullshit religion. Get out of America and go back to that crater you and your people crawled out of.

          • hola

            No…your rants are completely unwarranted.  What should be and what is, are two completely different things.  People (*men) continue to do non-sanctioned actions under the guise of religion and this is non-disputable and it indeed the underlying tones and repeated resonations of the words in the books needs to be called out.  Those who claim to be followers may not follow what was ‘intended’ but do have followers themselves.

          • Killtacular

             THe point, captain knows-jack-shit, is that in a CIVILIZED SOCIETY, such laws are ABOMINATIONS.

            NO civilized society creates laws that keep women down. No civilized society discriminates against women JUST BECAUSE THEY’RE WOMEN, which seems to occur REGULARLY in ISLAMIC nations!

          • Anonymous

            So please tell me what other country in the world except Saudiarabia that allows marriage from the age of nine?

            What other country allows old farts to legally marry 9 yo girls and to molest them just like your muhammed at 50+ when he had sex with a little girl?

            In the rest of the world these men are known as pedophiles.

        • Fadiyah

          Honour killings are actually more associated with tribal culture, which is why they occur in many areas of the world where tribal culture is still strong, regardless of religion. Polygamous marriages are also accepted in the FLDS church, which is a Christian church. Rape in war happens in pretty much every war, perpetrated by every army. Child marriages occur in many areas of the world, again regardless of religion. Seriously, not a single problem you named is something specific to Islam or the Middle East, and many of the things you listed violate Islamic law. Educate yourself before you begin spreading misinformation.

          • Ian

            The fact that unacceptable things happen across the world will never make them right! Religion just gives them an aura of being permissable.

            BTW the Mormons are not a Christian church and polygamy has been illegal in most countries for well in access of 100 years.

            So why not educate youirself before you criticise others?

      • get with the times

        Letting girls burn to death because they are not wearing the correct head cover is not my idea of respecting women. Systematic abuse of women and girls and denial of personal freedom is not respect for women. Barbaric corporal and capital punishment is not respect for women. 

        So you equate all western women with sluts in a night club? I’ve never encountered any job for ‘slut’ in a nightclub so I don’t know what you mean there, but I’m a scientist and I go to work everyday wearing whatever I want. Am I not to be respected?

        • Khadija

          Letting girls burn to death because they are not wearing head cover is foolish and violates basic Islamic precepts. None of the things you mention are even sanctioned by Islam so before you comment try thinking. Your little rant was completed unwarranted.

          • Bleu Lorax

            Go back and read the entire article oh great lover of goat ass. Muslim females were denied help while trapped inside a burning building because they didn’t have the proper Islamic bullshit headwear on.

          • ahomad hosin

            first this is a strong evidence that this article was written by an anti-islamist, why? because the article was about forcing women to cover their eyes if they were tempting, so what is the point of mentioning this in here?

            second, this happened once in the whole history, not everyday. in other words, this was a wrong decision by extremist who was responsible in that day. he was punished later on. I know this won’t return the dead, but we can’t do anything now, can we?

            what I mean is that islam didn’t told us to do that, but a stupid one who did that, you can’t judge on the whole religion depending on one wrong decision, can you?

            wrong decision happen everywhere all the time, couple days ago (police men used chili on the eyes of students), is this correct? does this mean all US citizens are stupid or criminals? you answer it

          • ahomad hosin

            this happened once in the whole history, and it didn’t happened because ISLAM told us not to help trapped women unless they are covered, this happened because of a fool decision, by fol person and he was punished later on for his fool decision.

            and for goat ass lover, I would say thanks for your kindness

          • Hola

            Sanctioned no, done in the name of Islam….YES and the like will continue to be done until religion is no longer an excuse to repress women

      • Sarah Rogers

        Are those the only two choices for a woman in Saudi Arabia? Maybe you are the one who needs to do more research.

      • barefaced

        are they the only two choices you can perceive, ahomad?

      • Ramm Peter

        in between being covered and respected or working nightclubs there are some female presidents and chancellors. I’m getting intolerant towards one sided intolerancy

      • brett

        Possibly there is other options besides “covered and respected” and “slut”? Surely!!

      • fghjk

        Seriously? Like those are the only two options for a woman? Removed from society or a whore?! Good grief. If these men have so much trouble refraining from raping women, they should go into purdah and let women run society.

      • Pgvhjv

        ahomad, you’re post inadvertently justifies the mysoginistic actions of the Saudi government. you’re an accomplice in a system that, according to the rest of the civilized world, is barbaric. You have a right to voice your opinion but you need to know that it’s backwards, plain and simply.

      • Itchybrother

        You lot beat your wives,make them have at least 4 witness when they’ve been raped or they get stoned to death.You let your 9yr olds get married to dirty 54yr old men eg:Mohummad and your trying to tell us Westerns that your backward Islamic law (Sharia) is better then ours.It goes to show you are just another backward Islamic muslim stuck in the stoneage

      • t-rex

        What a very broad generalization! If I am not covered, therefore I must work as a slut in a night club? I think not. Sir, I am a well-educated woman who works in an emergency call center and I provide empathy and police or medical help to those that need it. I am excellent at my job. Men like you call me and treat me like dirt because of this reasoning. What happened to the notion of self-control? So, you allow your men to act like animals against women and blame the women victims? What an absurdity!

        • ahomad hosin

          well, you misunderstood my question.
          my question was what “would you choose”, not these are the only options, but which one is better for you?
          in other words, if you were to choose of these two, which one would you choose?

          if you think covering the whole body is wrong, is it worse than uncovering the whole body?

          we always hear people criticizing covering the whole body, but no one criticized uncovering the whole body, why?

          which one is more respected, slut or a woman who covers here whole body?

          and about the men acting like animals, you still does not understand the reality. the reality is women with uncovered body are at higher risk of getting sexual assault than the ones covered their body, thats why islam asked women to cover their body. it is not like every woman uncover her body will get raped, it is just a matter of higher risk. indeed, in US and most western countries, there is higher number of seuxal assaults comparing to muslim country. 
          please watch this video to understand what I am saying (and before saying that muslims act like animals)

          • Nanniss1

             There is nothing wrong with women covering their whole body if it is their choice but I don’t think it’s right to impose on them and they should have a choice too. They should have their right as long as they dress modestly.

      • person

        being covered is not respect. it is a statement of second class citizenry.

      • Ort

        Bull. Muhammad said all women go to hell. So guys who blow themselves up and murder innocent human beings go straight to heaven. Where do the women go when they die? And don’t lie and say “heaven”.  I’m not interested in your “taquiya”—lying to “infidels”, which is encouraged, so that we won’t be able to see islam for what it is. Problem is, anybody with two eyes and a decent brain can see it for what it is.

        Women are worth less than the rug in islam. To claim anything else is ridiculous and you must think we are all fools who cannot see what your “religion” has done to women and to the world. If there wasn’t such a thing as islam, the world would be better off.

      • Ort

        Oh, and another thing:  Is it “respect” in islam that makes families kill their daughters for daring to get raped and “ruin” the family honor? FOR REAL??
        She has to be raped in front of 3 male witnesses who will testify for her.
        Animals, that is what you are. You are allowed to rape at will, because the woman will be killed for her indiscretion. You are allowed to beat women, because obviously they did something wrong. You are allowed to divorce her by saying “I divorce you” 3 times and then that’s that.

        You dare mouth the word “respect”???  You must think we are all fools to think you actually respect women!  That’s so hilarious you should write for David Letterman.

      • Roland

        You and your culture are sick and disgusting (nd by culture I mean the extreme variety). You write what you do as if there is np alternative. Either a woman is covered and respected, or she is a slut prostitute. Really? Those are the only two options? I’ve always found Americas ‘friendship’ with the Saudis and Israelis to be such a freakin sham and such an easy reveal abpout how crooked the US is. 

      • Sheldon

        if “you people” yes, i said “you people” the men mostly were not so backward and uncontrollable. the women could walk around safely without fear…but nooo, cover them up, hide them and then rape the first one you catch out alone without fear or shame then stone them… to hell with allah or monkey boy, whatever he is called! ahh, islam, the peaceful religion…my a$$! i suppose there be a fatwa or some camel call to arms against me for this. wow, just wow.

      • Woman

        A woman should be respected no matter what she choose to wear, and she should be aloud to work wherever she wants whitout jerks like you calling here a slut!!!! She should be respected for being who she is and for being a woman! And no man in the world have the right to tell any woman otherwise!!! I would never accept it, and neither should anyone else!!!

      • Anonymous

        How about being clothed in what you feel comfortable in, working were you please, going were you please and with whomever you please?

        Ahomad shows with clarity the whole problem: for him there are only two ways – either the woman stays covered up close to the stove, ready for her next command from the man – or she whores at a nightclub. Either shes a tool completely submissive to the men of her household or she is a tool completely submissive to unknown men at a nightclub.

        Can you imagine Ahomad working under a female boss? 

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_D5PNRPIAL4VHQ4KKMW63L5RUYY O-Man

        So basically you’re saying all women work in night clubs as prostitutes. Nice generalization there. Is this what they teach you? A women does not need to be covered to be respected. I work with plenty of women, and guess what, I respect them all. Why? Because of their intelligence, honesty, integrity and you know what? They’re not even covered up!!!!

        You say that islam respected women more than any law around the world. Lets look at that statement a bit closer. Women in S. Arabia are not allowed to drive. Little girls in Yemen are being married off to men up to 5 times their age. Women in Pakistan can be put in jail for adultery for the crime of being raped under islamic laws. Islam allows women to be used as sex objects when captured in war. Even your hadiths say women are deficient in intelligence and are the most occupiers of Hell. A women’s testimony is half of that of a man. I must be missing something about where a women is respected.

      • Bleu Lorax

        You might be able to con your fellow Islamics into believing that crap, but we Americans know better. We have to live with Muslims in this country and they treat their women and children horribly. I suppose there are no Muslim females who have been tortured with FGM.

      • Bleu Lorax

        The Muslim females who are covered are not respected asswipe, so I’d much rather work as a slut in a night club. Stay out of America,

      • CatBallou

        What a foolish and false dichotomy. You know that those aren’t the only alternatives. Making such a dishonest and insincere argument is shameful. And clearly, women aren’t “respected” when they’re covered. They are only controlled.

      • Michelle Galipeau

        if a woman wishes to cover herself, fine; if she wishes to dance or serve drinks, that is also her right to do. Women are not our property.

        • ahomad hosin

           what about france, who forced women to uncover their eyes and faces? 

          • Killtacular

             Are you even listening to yourself? You really are an uneducated, blinded FOOL.

            No man should suffer fools, especially other men who are fools. You are blinded by religious dogma. You’ve probably never traveled outside your precious fuckin’ Saudi Arabia to other nations where women aren’t treated like property. Until you’ve been to, say, the US, or England, you need to STFU about other cultures that you haven’t studied.

            I bet you don’t even know where French Fries came from without using Google.

          • ahomad hosin

            FYI, I have been to almost all European countries and I lived in the UK for almost ten year, finished my bachelor, master and will finish my PhD soon. so I am pretty well educated and know will the English culture. I have not been to the US thought. but I know quite alot about it. is it the country which invaded Afghanistan? and Iraq? yes it is. I know that most of the US citizens do not support these wars but  the US killed tenth of thousands of innocents. so if you are accusing islam and KSA for wrong decision of one person which led to the death of 15 innocent and saying that they are bad and they don’t respect women, blah blah blah. then what about the US, the US is thousands times worst than KSA right?. well, I didn’t say that, you did. I have never accuse whole society or country for one person’s mistake, but you do. I hope you got my point

      • Sweet Anguisette

        Personally, if given a choice between burning to death or being covered “properly”, I’d probably just kick the crap out of the guy trying to keep me and the other girls in the building, and walk out over his prone body.  

        And as for a choice between being “covered and respected” or “slut in a nightclub”…. no question. Take your “respect” and shove it… I’d rather be a slut.

    • don’t give your ears to midia

      i know when you refer something in writing you write the sources and you said ” In Islam a woman was created for enjoyment of men, an object, nothing more”
      tell me where in islam it does say that ?

      • Anonymous

        Quran:

        II/223: Your women are a tilth for you (to cultivate). So go to your tilth as ye will.IV/34: Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other.
        IV/15: If any one of your women is guilty of lewdness …confine them until death claims them.
        IV/16: If two men among you commit indecency, punish them both. If they repent and mend their ways, let them be.

        Hadiths:

        A woman is not a believer if she undertakes a journey which may last three days or longer, unless she is accompanied by her husband, son, father.
        She is forbidden to spend any money without the permission of her husband.
        A wife is forbidden to perform extra prayers or observe fasting (other than RAMADAN) without the permission of her husband.
        If a man is in a mood to have sexual intercourse the woman must come immediately even if she is baking bread at a communal oven.
        A woman who seeks divorce from her man, without a just cause, shall not enter paradise. On the contrary, a husband can divorce his wife at will. 
        The prophet said : “The majority of those who entered the fire of Hell were women.”
        A woman in many ways is deprived of the possession of her own body. Even her milk belongs to her husband.

        This is just a handful, took me a min or two to copy/paste – theres LOTS more.

        So yes, in islam a woman is just a possession for men to enjoy. 

        • ahomad hosin

          let me tell you that you are mistaken, everything you posted here is not correct (except few). you have taken this from anti-islam site, this is why it is all wrong, misleading or not translated correctly. thats why (if you are an educated person) you need to take your information from ISLAMIC trusted source not just copy and paste from a random site from google. i.e. if you need information about islam, don’t get it from anti-islam site. to prove this, you used (hath), what does hath mean? it should be has. you see, how simple mistakes prove my points. have you ever received scam e-mails who is telling you that you won million of dollers? I am sure you should. what the first thing you should look for? spelling mistakes, right?. this is just the same.

          the ones you quoted from quran
          some of them are correct and others I couldn’t really recognize. but you can’t use very small sentience and use it as evidence. again, if you are a well educated person, you should read the whole part to understand it very well. for example, if I said ” we should punish everyone committed a crime”, you can’t use part of it against me, you can’t say that I said (we should punish everyone) and stop here, this will change the meaning completely, right?

          and the ones you quoted from hadeith have the major problem
          only the following two are correct
          A woman is not a believer if she undertakes a journey which may last three days or longer, unless she is accompanied by her husband, son, father.
          The prophet said : “The majority of those who entered the fire of Hell were women.”

          the others I haven’t heard of before. I will choose one to illustrate my point
          If a man is in a mood to have sexual intercourse the woman must come immediately even if she is baking bread at a communal oven.
          I have searched for this to know if it is correct or not. as I expected, it is completely wrong. our prophet has never said that, this was said by some wahabi (this is where you get usually the wrong information about islam) and this also are anti-islamist, they say that prophet mohammad is not the real prophet, and god make him prophet by mistake, how is that possible?? you should read bout it more and you will know what are they.

          I can go more and more on this. but I wrote this to show you the direction   where you should start you research again and to get correct information about islam rather than accusing it depending on wrong information.

          • Ort

            I have read your reply twice. You haven’t said anything that I understand. What exactly did the original poster get wrong? You are very confusing. Maybe it’s because he’s right and you’re angry about it.

          • ahomad hosin

            well, I tried to clarify as much as I could. the bottom line is, 
            first, regarding quran quots, you need to understand the whole context not just take few words and use it to accuse islam
            second, regarding hadith, most of them are not actually hadith, most of them are just random people’s sayings, not even muslims.

            please go and read REAL islamic topics and learn TRUE islam before judging it. I have one simple question, there are over 1 billion muslims around the world, are they all wrong or fool to follow something bad? or you who didn’t understand it very well?

            and regarding I am angry, well, I am not. if that person do not like islam, it is his/her opinion, why would I get angry? 

          • Anonymous

            No ahomad, you should not need a special “translator” to “understand” the quran. Today we can even decipher mesopotamian so old arabic should not be a problem.

            The real problem is that you muslims have painted yourselves into a corner with the claims that every word in the quran is “gods” true words.

            Especially the abrogating is very confusing – shouldnt god be allknowing and wise?
            Then why did he write something in your quran that is later abrogated?
            Can god be wrong? 
            And how come he hates women?

            No, take your little black book of hate and your disrespect for women, gays, other faiths etc etc and shove it where the sun doesnt shine.

            One day soon we will get very tired of all the demands from you muslims, tired of all your violence and tired of how you treat people – that day is closer than you think.

          • CatBallou

            “Hath” is not a spelling mistake, it is an earlier version of the word “has,” just as “ye” is an earlier version of the word “you.” The translation was either done a few centuries ago, or done recently but in a classic form of English.
            Also, your “no true Scotsman” arguments are not persuasive.

          • Walther Metzler

            I read the Book of Book’s on an daily basis
            and You are as wrong as most people You criticise !
            Islam has nothing to offer the other half of the World.
            “Women”

          • ahomad hosin

            I am not sure what do you mean by “I read the Book of Book’s on an daily basis”. and you are so wrong if you think islam has nothing to offer to women, I will tell you few, if you want everything, it will take me alot of time and even me, I am not so religious so I don’t know everything, here are few:
            1- the most important thing islam gave women is what prophet mohammad said ” the heaven is under the foot of mothers” which means no one will enter heaven unless his mother agreed, in other words, he will enter heaven if he was good with his mother and helped her and served her, all of her life. isn’t this enough? if this is the only thing islam offered women, then this is more than enough for me, but I will tel you other things
            2- husband has no right at all to use violent against her
            3- husband has no right to spend a penny of her money unless she accepted. and in the same time, the husband is forced by islamic low to spend his money on her and pay for all of her living cost
            4- prophet mohammad said ” take good care of women”
            5- god said (not in quran) in long story (search about it if you want, I will mention it in brief) whene prophet mohammad asked his companion, what is your the three things you love the most, after each one answered, god said to prophet mohammad “tell your companion to respect women (and two other things I can’t remember
            6- prophet mohammad was asked once who is your favorite parson among all people, he replied aisha (his wife)

            these are just few example, there are ALOT more, there is no space or time to include them all here

          • Anonymous

            Muhammed cared so well for the women that he took several wifes, among them children that he had sex with (ie a pedophile) – and he forbade the women to do the same.

            Aisha his favourite person… A child young enough to be his granddaughter that he chose to marry and have intercourse with – such people are jailed where I come from.

            Other than that muhammed loved women so much that he declared them as half the worth of a man, fx when it comes to inheritance or their worth as witnesses to crimes.

          • Scrutator

             HOW THE QURAN DISCRIMINATES AGAINST MUSLIM WOMEN
            The following points, all drawn from the Quran shows how the Quran oppresses muslim women, with no equal rights for them : (1) A man can BEAT/SCOURGE his wife on “mere suspicion of rebillion”, a muslim woman cannot do the same to her husband. (2) A muslim man can marry a Christian/Jewish/muslim woman (without converting the first two to Islam), a muslim woman can only marry a muslim man. (3) A muslim man has been given the “triple talaq” facility in the Quran (without assigning any reason for it), a muslim woman has no triple-talaq facility given to her. 
            [Do not mention women can apply for a 'khula divorce' here, for 'khula IS NOT THE SAME AS a 'triple talaq facility, you know it very well !] (4) A muslim man inherits twice what his sister(s) get from deceased parents’ estate, according to the Quran. (5) In an Islamic court, a man’s witness is worth that of two women. (6) A muslim man can have up to four wives simultaneously, while a muslim woman can have only one spouse at any one time. (7) The Quran allows a muslim man additional sexual partners (besides his wife or wives) in the form of slaves/concubines (“right hand possessions”), while a muslim wife can only have the one husband for herself. (8) The Quran says a wife must have the husband’s permission before leaving the house, while the husband needs no such permission from his wife for leaving his house. (9) According to the Quran, a husband must confine his wife inside a locked room for “lewd” behaviour till ” she starves to death or Allah decides otherwise”. Where does it say a muslim wife has the right to do the same with a cheating/lecherous husband ? For more such discriminatory rules, refer to the Quran ( these rules are explained in detail in the Hadiths). IF THIS IS NOT DISCRIMINATION AGAINST A MUSLIM WOMAN, PRAY WHAT IS ? 

            Muslims, please explain each point in a calm, reasoned manner, without launching onto a semantic exercise ! Besides, “Allah knows best” cannot be an answer !

          • Anonymous

            The first four verses are quoted straight from the quran. I dont need any “special teacher” to understand the written word, I am decently literate (even in english which is not my native language).

            The hadiths I quoted are also directly from your own islamic sources.

            Id appreciate you pointing out EXACTLY what has been misinterpreted instead of the standard “you are wrong”-answer that I constantly get from muslims trying to convince me that the oppressive texts really mean something else.

            I do not and will never trust your “islamic trusted sources” for the simple reason that Ive caught so many of you muslims in lies that I now only trust the original texts – which are readily available all over the web in many different languages.

            The quran is gods EXACT words according to you muslims and yet you try to change them to mean something else.

            Your passion for abrogation strikes me as strange for example – would the almighty, allwise and allknowing god really make such a mistake in your holy book that you have to abrogate it later? Not much of a perfect god then if he cant make up his mind about what the book should contain.

            No the simple truth is that the quran is a manmade rework of the torah and the bible, with muhammeds little quirks written in as godly laws – he wants to marry anothers wife, lets put it in the quran – he hates people and want to kill them, wham, into the quran – he wants to bone other women than his old wife, bam, into the quran.

            The quran disgusts me, not because its full of 1500 year old prejudice and hate – no it disgusts me because you are still following these mad guidelines into the 2000s.

            Anyway, your long answer didnt really answer any questions at all – if anything it proves my point of islam as a regressive ideology that is in dire need of reformation.

          • ahomad hosin

            I am not sure that you understood or even read my post. I did not say you are wrong, and I did pointed on several things and showed you what is wrong.
            the ones you quoted from quran is not wrong and I am not changing the meaning. your problem is that you do not know that quran is not few words and thats it, you need to understand the whole context (you need to know what was said, when that was said and why that was said), and you need to think beyond. you quoted part of verses which is not enough. I am not saying you need someone to translate it for you, but you need to fully understand what are you arguing about before saying it asks for bad things. I don’t blame you, even muslims do not understand quran 100%. thats why there are 1000s of books out there to illustrate quran (to make it easier for you and everyone else to understand quran rather than accusing it from part of a verse).

            the quran that you said is manmade has so many miracles that still been discovered these days. but again you are arguing depending on nothing. when you said it is a manmade, you really showed how ignorant you are. you need to read a lot before arguing. one more proof is that, it is over 1400 years old and it still in its original copy, no single change happened. do you know why? because god said in quran that he will protect it until the end of life.

            and the ones you quoted from hadith, many of them are NOT hadith. do you know what is hadith, hadith is what prophet mohammad said. most of what you quoted is not prophet mohammad sayings. they are random people sayings. you can’t judge islam on someones saying, can you?

            one last thing. there are so many (lets say, versions) of islam. prophet mohammad said that there will be 71 different islamic versions, only 1 will go to heaven and the others will not. because even muslims mis-interrupt quran and hadith. and then understand it the way they want so they can do whatever they want and claim quran asked them to do it. if you found someone said something, look fist was it mentioned in quran and hadith. if not, then it is not islamic rule. only good musilms are the real musilms (not everyone called himself musilm is a real muslim)

        • murmur

          I read one hadith that is only close to the actual hadith but seriously you should start making a horror movie..You are very creative in your imagination. As a muslim female, i applaud your creativeness and ignorance..No wonder men are perverts..People like you loves to spread lies. Then i guess i myself should start twisting the words of bible and testament..but then i doubt i need to do that as you most probably dont believe in them

    • Jennifer

      That is a lie! Women were not created for objects according to Islamic beliefs! Where the hell do you get that idea from? Have you even read the Qur’an ever!

  • http://ianrobertdouglas.com Ian Douglas

    It is almost unimaginable the level of monstrosity in the mind that it must take to want to engage in the mass moral policing of others; the phantasmagoria that must be invoked as Authority to say, “You shall not.” Who on earth does this twisted old Shiekh believe he is? What ludicrous flattery is implied, as if all men, starting with the most pious, were actually Casanovas just bursting below the seams: uncontrollable, awash, too fluid and “romantic” to resist the “temptation” of a female glance. Please! Spare us!